For the past approx. 3 years now, I have been assuming that the first chapter of Jung's final book (which was a collaboration) explained the primary theoretical reasons for Freud and Jung going their separate ways. I suppose I've also just been assuming that Jung was a synesthete and that Freud was not and that this difference in how life is experienced was fundamental to their "divorce". The catalytic exteriorization phenomenon sounds rather like "the Pauli Effect", doesn't it? At least Freud kind enough to tell Jung how he was wrong instead of dismissing him as "not even wrong"! 😂
Ah I'd forgotten he talked about Freud in Man and His Symbols I must go back and see what he says. Very much not a theoretical rupture as I'm discovering even if that's how Jung frames it in later years!
Catalytic exteriorization phenomenon does sound a lot like the Pauli Effect. Maybe that's what Pauli would have preferred them to call it instead of blaming him 🤣
This Freud-Jung dynamic is fascianting - the paternal hurt in that letter is palpable. The bookcase incident really exposes something deeper than just theoretical disagreements; it's about Jung pulling away from the father figure role Freud had assigned him. What gets me is Freud's willingnes to share his own number superstition as a bridge-building gesture. That's relationship repair 101, meeting someone where they are even when you don't fully buy their framework.
Isn't it! There's something sweet about that paternal hurt. I wasn't expecting it. And I'm with you on the relationship repair. The whole thing feels less like a philosophical rap battle than a mature family conflict turning to tragedy. So human
For the past approx. 3 years now, I have been assuming that the first chapter of Jung's final book (which was a collaboration) explained the primary theoretical reasons for Freud and Jung going their separate ways. I suppose I've also just been assuming that Jung was a synesthete and that Freud was not and that this difference in how life is experienced was fundamental to their "divorce". The catalytic exteriorization phenomenon sounds rather like "the Pauli Effect", doesn't it? At least Freud kind enough to tell Jung how he was wrong instead of dismissing him as "not even wrong"! 😂
Ah I'd forgotten he talked about Freud in Man and His Symbols I must go back and see what he says. Very much not a theoretical rupture as I'm discovering even if that's how Jung frames it in later years!
Catalytic exteriorization phenomenon does sound a lot like the Pauli Effect. Maybe that's what Pauli would have preferred them to call it instead of blaming him 🤣
You're familiar with the term, "not even wrong"?
No I'm not actually! That bit went over my head. Do tell!
Ah, alright! Okay, look up the phrase Pauli coined (“not even wrong”), and my comment will make better sense.
hahaha love it!
This Freud-Jung dynamic is fascianting - the paternal hurt in that letter is palpable. The bookcase incident really exposes something deeper than just theoretical disagreements; it's about Jung pulling away from the father figure role Freud had assigned him. What gets me is Freud's willingnes to share his own number superstition as a bridge-building gesture. That's relationship repair 101, meeting someone where they are even when you don't fully buy their framework.
Isn't it! There's something sweet about that paternal hurt. I wasn't expecting it. And I'm with you on the relationship repair. The whole thing feels less like a philosophical rap battle than a mature family conflict turning to tragedy. So human