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Andrew Heard's avatar

It's interesting reading this. Funny enough, many of the things you're pointing out about Peterson's faults and examples of his shadow are things that he himself has acknowledged about himself and that they are valid criticism of him.

In fact, he's been speaking especially recently about the whole idea of "render onto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." You point this out as something he needs to do or people should be doing, but he himself has said some variation of this numerous times. So it's not as if he's not aware of it.

I also take issue with your suggestion that because Solzhenitsyn's book was released in 1974 and in 1978 the communist party in France had an increase in the vote for them as evidence that his view that it didn't work is faulty. By that logic, the fact that the Soviet Union didn't fall immediately is evidence that it had no effect on the country. Of course, the Soviet Union did eventually fall in 1991, in large part because of Solzhenitsyn and his publishing of the book. While things happen at break neck speed today, at the time it took a lot longer for things to get around. So the fact that the increase in support for a communist in France is evidence that it didn't become unreasonable to support it simply is faulty.

Also, your assertion that people didn't know in the 1940s simply isn't true either. Solzhenitsyn himself in The Gulag Archipelago pointed out that it was pretty well known within the first few years of the Soviet Union that it was true. Knowledge of it existed although there was some debate about the extent of it necessarily. Many of the people in power in Western countries like the United States and Britain and others were aware of what was going on in the Soviet Union before World War 2. It was part of the reason they weren't so keen on an alliance with Russia in the run up to and during World War 2.

Even Germany knew about what was happening in the Soviet Union in the run up to the Second World War. In The Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn points out that after the war, the leaders proclaimed of what happened in Germany "Never again", but that all they had to do was look at what was going on in the country of their own ally, the Soviet Union, to realize how hollow that proclamation was.

So it was fairly well known by the West that horrible things were happening in the Soviet Union very early on and yet the Soviet system persisted for 70 years. And despite the collapse of it, this idea is still going on in China and Cuba.

There are a number of problems with your assertions of Jordan Peterson, only some of which I have outlined here.

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Stephen J Wood's avatar

The evolution of philosophic thought is a fascinating topic. I think because Peterson had spent his entire life in academia, he is particularly sensitive to the intellectual changes in the academic environment. After trying to put the pieces together he found what he thought was a likely culprit for what he saw happening around him.

I am not well versed on this subject, but the little I do know leaves me in agreement with many of your points regarding a Neo-Marxist conspiracy driven by postmodernist thought. That doesn't mean, however, that there were no other intellectual movements that drove much of what you outline in point 2 of Peterson's argument. Gramsci was *very* explicit about infiltrating schools with the new socialist religion. The Frankfurt School has had a much larger influence in America than the French philosophers, and I think they are the more influential predecessors of today's SJW movement.

That being said, I very much agree with your point to focus on what it is to be human rather than on the battle between Aries and Artemis. If there is such a battle, it will not be resolved by getting angry and shouting at the sky.

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